[Queer-on-Queer Hate Lion meme. Note that the purpose of this meme is to call out queer-on-queer hate and captions should be taken as sarcasm. Image is a picture of a roaring lion on an eight-color rainbow pinwheel background. Top text: “LGBT” Bottom text: “Actually just means cis gay men”]
-I don’t even.. The contradictions are endless. It’s just amusing at this point.
“Just because one believes in the vast possibilities in queerness, in bashing back, is screaming die cis scum, in attempting to fuck the system, does not mean they are oppressing those who are cis gender.” - Pearly
How does that make sense? You aren’t oppressing people who happen to have been born cisgender, but you can scream that “cis scum” should die. How is that any different from the ignorant racists who try to use the (and I apologize for the word usage here. I do not condone nor do I use this word ever.) “black person vs. nigger” argument?
Okay aside from the fact that we’re comparing different forms of oppression, I’m guessing your point is roughly along the lines of some bullshit like ‘hate is hate’ and shouting die cis scum at people who are cis scum is equivalent to saying something cissexist and violent against trans* peeps.
You’re wrong though, it’s not the same. Here’s the thing, when trans* peeps shout ‘die cis scum’ out of anger and rage at their oppression, at the cissexism they need to encounter and fight through every fucking day, at the hordes of ignorant ass hats and douche fucks that harass them and demand entrance into their lives and their private business, you know what happens? Someone gets their feelings hurt and a stand is made.
You know what happens when cis people use violent rhetoric against trans* people. TRANS* PEOPLE GET KILLED! They get their rights stripped away, they get kicked out of their homes, they get beaten up, they get harassed, they get erased, they get invalidated. Every day. You don’t even need violent rhetoric to do it. As a cis person, you (general you) can go that to a trans* person easy, simply, you can condone other people doing it without much thought and minimal effort. Society encourages and perpetuates that shit every day.
“Oh, I’m not racist. I just hate niggers.”
Being born cisgender is not a choice any more than being born trans* is & for you to post things repeatedly damning “cis scum” to hell, saying that they are worthless & deserve to die, makes you a fucking awful person. Being born cisgender does not automatically mean you are anti-trans* or against queerness on any level & for you to make that constant generalization is fucking disgusting.
Not all generalizations are created equal. Also if die cis scum isn’t about you, don’t fucking make it about you, that fucking simple. When cis people (or trans* peeps) demand that cis feelings take precedence over fucking equality for tran* folks, that’s what is fucked up. When you tell people that their anger at their fucking oppression and the system and people who perpetuate that, makes them an awful person, you are silencing them. You are not helping. You are maintaining the status quo. You are part of the fucking problem.
Also ‘not all cis people are like that’ is just a derail, plain and simple.
Also, being cis mean you (still general you) have privilege, you benefit from the oppression of trans* folks, you are encouraged to perpetuate it, encouraged to behave in a cissexist fashion, to hate trans* folks or just be ignorant of their existence. And when so many cis folks are, when huge portions of cis folks are and the vast majority of people who are like that are cis, it is self preservation to assume for fucks sake. Shit like that can keep you safe.
At one point I thought I was cisgender. I have learned since then that I am not, I more relate to being a “demigirl” or “bigender”, being that I do sometimes feel as if I should in fact be a boy. But for the most part, I identify as a woman & that should never make me less of a person just because I identify with the gender I was born.
Your cisgender hate is just as ignorant as trans* hatred. End of story.
No it’s not. Hate against trans* folks is born out of ignorance, misinformation, fucked up ideas perpetuated by society. Hatred of cis folks or cis scum (so sub sets of cis folks) and anger in that direction is born out of the desire for self preservation, the urge to fight back, not wanting to roll over and take the fucking shit anymore. It’s born out of the desire to be treated the way everyone else get’s treated and if a prerequisite for equality is ‘behave the way the oppressors want you to behave’ something is fucking wrong. No one should have to fucking earn the right to be treated like everyone else by sitting quietly and letting people trash them and try to will them or kill them out of existence. All hatred is not created equal.
Cis privilege again.
The real thrust of the backlash against the prefix “cis” is exactly the same as the backlash against the words “heterosexual” and “white” - the fact that people who had previously gone unmarked and “normal” were forced to acknowledge the fact that their defaultness was the product of social assumptions and not natural superiority.
die cis scum is kinda like on the same level as the word breeder
or like cracker
cause, it’s like, mean how is this word hurting you?
like i love watching conan but like every other night he’s making jokes about chaz bono. and like, everywhere you turn transphobia exist. it’s like considered normal. like dan savage does it. feminist do it. hrc does it. liberals do it. conservatives do it. it’s like a really cheap joke. except people die.
no one is going to die from die cis scum. you aren’t going to be brutally beaten to death. the people aren’t going to make assault if you report it. and like, it’s even sadder when you see the suicide rate for trans* people. like they fucking feel that climate every single day. and you’r upset about die cis scum?
like, honestly, i was like a little uncomfortable about it too. but i realized i felt uncomfortable because i was engaging in the same problematic behavior that de-legitimizes the identity of trans* people, like they die from that shit. so if you feel offended, just shut up.
no, really just shut up.
No one should be discriminating against anyone.
trans, cis, gay, straight, etc.
Cis gendered people do not chose that life either. It’s who they are.
Yes, it’s rare that attacks on Cis-gendered people occur, and I’m no way trying to mask the fact that the suicide rates for trans people is heartbreakingly high.
But telling someone ‘die cis scum’…seriously?
Haven’t we been fighting for equality between all genders and sexualities?
Isn’t that the point?
Saying stuff like that isn’t going to help the situation.
And before people start, I’d be saying the exact same thing if I saw someone saying ‘die trans scum’, just so you know.
We’re fighting for equality people. You need to remember that.
Trans people are oppressed/attacked/arrested/murdered because they are trans.
Cis people are not oppressed/attacked/arrested/murdered because they are cis. EVER.
In a cissexist society, cis people have the power and privilege.
You can’t just SAY “equality for all” and ignore the ways people experience privilege and oppression and very real violence disproportionately.
YOU need to remember that.
"No one ever cares to ask women. Porn has become engineered for the male gaze. But it doesn’t have to be. In an ideal setting, we would have porn that represented all ethnicities, body types, sexualities and they would not be portrayed as fetish, but simply as casting of peoples. I can’t tell you how uncomfortable it makes me feel that my race is considered ‘fetish’ or subcategory. Yeah, I know that the norm in all media is white folks, but never is it more pronounced and awful than in porn. But the constant question of what will or won’t turn women on is so insulting. And Molly’s assertion, while attempting to say that women don’t need something separate or different in porn portrayals, manages to segregate women even more. And furthermore, reads like someone who doesn’t watch or appreciate porn.
Which is fine, but if no one wants to address the problems with it and only criticizes by putting it at arm’s length, while holding their nose, that ain’t no way to tackle the issue."
Dan Savage is a bully, a hypocrite, and CERTAINLY not someone to be hailed as a hero.
Woah, when did he say that? I’m not denying he did, but, wtf? D:
That’s what he said about ace people. He’s also said a lot of shitty things about bisexuals (e.g. here) and trans* folks (some on that here and here) and others in the community. He’s also said a lot of racist shit (he repeatedly blamed POC for the passage of Prop 8 in California), he’s said fat shaming things, and when people asked him to stop using “retarded” in a derogatory way, he made a joke of it. So much for being against bullying.
He’s generally just a really shitty person, imo.
Finally, a post from the-unpopular-opinions that I actually agree with.
Dan savage is a fucking disgusting person, and the reason I’ve been iffy to get involved with anything under the words “It Gets Better”.
It gets better… If you’re white, cis, and reasonably well off.
It gets better… If things go your way; if you can get and keep a job, get out of oppressive environments easily, defend yourself verbally and physically, get recognised for your achievements, and make good friends.
It gets better… If things go JUST RIGHT. If nothing bad happens, like illness (mental or physical) or depression, or learning difficulties, or any of the other numerous things which can stop a person in their tracks.
Otherwise, you make things better yourself. Because the universe won’t magically fix everything, and it will sometimes be the hardest, most painful thing in the world to accept that and make it work.
And that’s another reason why I don’t touch “it gets better”
Privilege Speaks! (trigger warning for discussion of rape, violence, and talking to a privilege denying dick)
- Me: The amount of race-fail I have encountered today is astounding. I mean come on, straight cis white guys really shouldn't be trying to write novels about the experience of racism... because they suck at it
- Him: Is it perhaps a little ironic that you reference the gender, orientation, and race of someone to justify their ability to do something?
- Me: Privilege matters (unfortunately) if you have no experience of discrimination based upon immutable qualities you'll probably end up with a mighty whitey saves the day case of bullshit.
- Him: Privilege is a blanket term to throw over any entire gender, race, orientation, or any other group of people; it doesn't really do anything to resolve a specific point of contention and I don't think it adds a whole lot to any debate. It comes off more as a way to disqualify someone's opinion on the basis of things that should have nothing to do with it's validity.
- Me: No, that's not what privilege is. Privilege is a way of describing the fact that there are certain things certain groups just don't experience the same way others do (due to systemic oppression) cisgender men for example will never experience street harassment the same way women and people socially coded female do. So when some douchebag guy says "I'd love it if some girl yelled vulgarities at me from across the street" it fails to take into account the fear and threat inherently associated with being catcalled for women (and people read as women)
- Him: What privilege is depends on who I'm talking to and what point they're trying to make. In any case - let's use the example of fear of sexual assault - using the word "privilege" adds nothing to the point and risks alienating the group of people it's directed against.
- Saying that a "cisgender man will never experience harassment the way women do" excludes the experience (or potential experience) of someone on nothing other than the typical experiences of members of their social group. It stops treating them like a person and starts treating them a representation of their group, which is what I think we'd want to get around in the first place.
- Me: No, privilege is a defined piece of academic jargon that often gets misused, and you know what? I have never met a cisgender man who got street harassed the way women do. It's a big picture term, because in order to combat systemic oppression (systemic is when it's ingrained in the culture so deeply you can barely tease it out from what's inherent) you have to look at the big picture. Treating individuals as individuals on an... individual basis is all well and good, but we're not talking about that. We're talking about the fact that I earn .75 cents on a cisgender man's dollar, we're talking about the fact that thousands of women die from eating disorders every year, we're talking about how many times more likely it is I'll be raped than you, we're talking about how the average lifespan of a transgender person worldwide is 22 years, we're talking about the fact that you have a statistical advantage at pretty much everything. This doesn't make you a bad person, this doesn't mean you're not allowed to talk in debates about this shit, but you have to think before you speak and educate yourself because YOU DON'T FUCKING KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE. You have to take the time to imagine what it must be like to know X about the way the culture treats your group, and the way that effects your behavior and perception of things.
- Heeeeeeere doucheydoucheydoucheydouchey