This morning was an especially difficult exercise in self-control and anger management. This post will be far shorter than the last one, because I really don’t want to talk about it more than strictly necessary because it is disgusting, but I feel like this nasty behaviour needs to be exposed.
Before we continue, while I didn’t include a trigger warning, anyone sensitive to miscarriages or anything along those lines may not want to continue reading.
Today I met one of the protesters, Mary. She’s a chaser, she’ll follow women out of their car, she’ll stand by the car door so it’s hard for them to get out. Well, the young woman in question today wasn’t brooking any of Mary’s nonsense, so when Mary pulled her standing-by-the-door shtick, she opened the door roughly against her. And as soon as Mary began talking, she hauled off and smacked her right across the face.
I heard about all of this through hearsay (and also about how the woman’s companion chased Mary around the parking lot) and while there was a tiny voice saying “Yay!” in my head, my heart also sunk—because I’m learning that any action you take against these people, even in the face of cruelty, will be used against you. I’m learning that as an Escort, it’s my job to hopefully try and calm these situations down—not encourage them. …But I’d be lying if I said I didn’t admire the family giving Mary a hard time.
Anyway, the young girl was with her mother and father, and the mother was screaming at all the protesters who nearly created a mob. Another Escort leaned close to me and said, “It’s a dead fetus.”
I was shocked to my core. The family, even the girl herself, had been yelling this to the protesters, that she wasn’t there for an abortion, but it was falling on deaf ears. Instead of listening to the heartache of the young girl and shutting up and letting her get the treatment she deserved, they treated her like a sinner—a murderer.
More concrete, real-life evidence that these antis don’t give a fuck about the people going into the clinics, about people PERIOD, they don’t listen, and they have absolutely no love or heart for anyone but themselves, despite how badly they want you to believe otherwise.
Look at this adorable little chick isn’t it just…oh wait.
Fetus =/= Baby.
That is what we call an unfertilized egg. What your looking at is what would have nourished the chick, if the chick was in there. Essentially, that egg is ‘chicken period.’
However, that is a chicken prepared as Balut. (Or a duck. The description wouldn’t say. I think the point stands.)
Therefore, ^Chicken inside egg = human being inside womb. Fetus = Human being.
The dumb thing is, I don’t even need to go down this route.
I don’t give a shit what you think it is inside a womb. Even if it’s a fully grown fucking adult, if it has to leech off a woman to survive, then she has every right to stop it doing so.
Okay, so you admit that a fetus is a human being. Moving on:
if it has to leech off a woman to survive, then she has every right to stop it doing so.
Actually, that is not true. To be able to claim that, you would need to claim that a fetus’s presence in the uterus is unlawful. However, because the woman in most cases acted in such a way that would cause the pregnancy, if the fetus’s presence there is unlawful, then the woman is an accessory to the crime through criminal facilitation.
Furthermore, when you say a fetus leeches off the mother, you are insinuating the fetus is a parasite. This is obviously not true given the fact that the woman provides the fetus with a womb in which to stay. There is no case of parasitism where the host prepares a place specifically for the parasite. The claim that the fetus is a parasite is thus severely compromised.
Finally, in no other example of human relations can someone be killed for ‘leeching’ off another. If you grow tired of taking care of your already born child, you are not allowed to take him out back and shoot him. You are allowed to ‘remove’ him from your home through adoption, but you are not allowed to shoot him. You cannot claim abortion is like putting a child up for adoption because abortion kills the child.
Why did you just post something about Catholics being pro-abortion when you clearly aren’t?
Of course I admit it’s of human form, it can only become a human. It’s not going to turn into an alligator at nine months is it? Does that make it the same as a fully developed, born human? Certainly not.
Firstly, sometimes the woman didn’t consent to even having sexual intercourse. Your argument fails to really address why you feel that rape victims, as well as those pregnant by consensual sex should be forced to carry their pregnancy to term. Secondly, consent for sex is not consent for pregnancy. Thirdly, consent for pregnancy can be withdrawn. Circumstances change and so do minds. This is why we call ourselves pro-choice, because this is so wrapped up in choice, consent, and personal ownership of you own body. It is so important to empower women with the knowledge that consent is given on a second by second basis, and can be entirely validly and rightly be withdrawn from a situation where seconds before consent was total. When that consent it withdrawn, whether it be for sex, pregnancy, or anything you care to think of, whatever is no longer being consented to must be stopped. I don’t know if you identify as a feminist, but if you don’t agree with that key tenant of it, you better stop.
You argue it’s not leeching because the woman voluntarily provides her womb to the child? Don’t really want to state the obvious here, but if she’s seeking an abortion, she doesn’t want to provide her womb (And not just her womb, her entire body is involved in the process of gestation) then it isn’t voluntary. She is not ‘preparing a place’, she’s desperate to have that place back. Just because something can inhabit a part of a woman’s body does not mean it’s welcome.
I said nothing about adoption, so I don’t see the relevance.
Also you’re wrong, there is no human relation quite like this. This is not taking care of, it is physically offering yourself as a host body, and in no other medical situation does that occur. If you woke up tomorrow with a stranger attatched to your kidneys that you have to offer routine human dialysis for, you would be pretty unimpressed. It’s difficult to compare physical leeching to anything else because there is no like situation in the world.
When you’re told you have to provide a host body to keep something alive that you don’t want to, and still go through with it, then we’ll talk.
Lets stop pretending people only have sex for procreation. I know anti-choicers do not understand that you can have sex and not want kids but this is just some slut shaming bullshit. Also, who is to say nuns do not want children? Women become nuns for spiritual reasons not because they don’t want kids.
Trigger warning: abuse and rape descriptions.
A few weeks ago my mom stapled pages of a story in one of her women’s magazines together and handed it to me. She gave it to me pretty much with the tag lines “for your feminist blog” and “something new to consider.” Indeed it was; she knows me well.
The story is titled “I was forced to be pregnant.” With a title like that, reading it was actually not on the top of my to read list. I thought it was about women not exercising their right to choice. I was very, very wrong on that one.
Have you ever heard of Reproductive coercion? It is a term that was quite recently coined by the advocates against domestic violence to describe a certain type of abuse some women face. It occurs when a man pressures their partner to have kids and/or impregnates them against their will. Reproductive coercion comes in three different types:
1. Emotional pressure that turns into verbal and physical abuse.
2. Sabotaging birth control
3. Marital rape
Over 75% of women 19-49 who reported once experiencing domestic violence also endured some type of reproductive control by men. It’s all about control and domination over a woman’s body.
The first story in the magazine is about a woman who got married around 36 years of age. After a few months of dating her boyfriend talked excitedly about having children. After he proposed he began calling her “The Babymaker.” She then confided with him that one of her fallopian tubes was blocked. He in return insisted she see a fertility doctor. She recounts, “I had finally met a great guy who was eager to start a family with me. What woman wouldn’t fall for that?” Soon after her honeymoon he persisted on in an obsessive manner, but his efforts had to be temporarily halted as she had to get emergency back surgery. Alas, 6 months into recovery he was back to pressuring her again. She was in much pain at the time due to her back, but she agreed to In Vitro Fertilization. She then became pregnant, but soon miscarried. In response, her husband grabbed her by the neck, choking her. He apologized, blaming his outburst on his grief and had her sign up for another round of IVF. And then a third round. She tried to put him off with the excuse that she needed to weigh more before she could take treatments, her husband forced her to get on the scale often and filled the fridge with fattening foods. “It hurt that all I was good for was getting pregnant.” She recounts. At the end, he screamed at her, threatening to replace her with a maid if she couldn’t get pregnant and she told him she no longer wanted to have his child. He destroyed bedroom furniture, pushed her down the stairs and threatened her with a gun. She fled to a domestic violence shelter.
The second story was about a woman who faced marital rape. This woman was 40, had a then boyfriend and two children from a previous marriage. After telling her boyfriend she did not want any more children, her boyfriend refused to wear a condom and began to rape her. She then became pregnant with her third child. Birth control was never an option for her because she couldn’t hide pills anywhere for he went through all of her belongings. Three months after giving birth, he raped her again, impregnating her with twins. She lost the twins in a physical fight with him, but soon became pregnant again. During her recovery she begged her obstetrician to remove her ovaries and devise a lie to tell him; that she had cancer. After a decade of sexual abuse and violence she was able to get a job that kept her out of the house and often times traveling.
One in four callers to the National Domestic Abuse hotline said that their partners had tried to force them to become pregnant. Why? As one woman stated, “Its like he wants to own me from the inside out.” Having a baby is the perfect tie that binds. These type of abusers want to create a circumstance in which their partner is dependent on him.
WHAT’S THAT HAVE TO DO WITH PLANNED PARENTHOOD?
Many voters never consider how defunding these clinics could hurt victims of domestic violence who turn to them for counseling as well as pregnancy prevention. Abused women will turn to health care providers long before they will turn to domestic abuse hotlines and organizations. Many women in abusive relationships rely on life saving, affordable care programs such as Title X. It is critical that such places are open and operation when women and children need them so desperately.
>reply to my post, tries to disguise butthurt with laughing statement
the butthurt, i feel it strong in this one
Butthurt? I was just getting started. I couldn’t reply to your post properly because I was work.
But now I’m home.
Lets deconstruct your bullshit.
[People who have abortions should be charged with murder]
Do you know what an early abortion (which the majority have) actually looks like? This
52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy and this is usually to save the mother
43% will have an abortion. You are charging all these people with murder. Because killing a person is the same as killing a foetus that has not developed sentience.
Yes killing a conscious person that can reason, exercise responsibility, and make moral judgements deserves the same punishment as a ball of cells.
Makes perfect sense.
- Maria Elaine Pitchford was denied an abortion because she was more than 20 weeks pregnant: Two days later, she was admitted to Bowling Green-Warren County Hospital, suffering from a 101 degree fever and continued passage of amniotic fluid. While in the hospital, she gave birth to a stillborn child. Dr. Roy Slezak, the physician who treated her, said that, along with the foetus, he found a six-inch long plastic knitting needle.
- Tammy Skinner was a poor, desperate 22-year-old with two young children and another one on the way. She said her boyfriend wouldn’t pay for an abortion, so she carried her pregnancy to term. Prosecutors say that on the morning she was scheduled to give birth, Skinner drove to an auto dealer’s parking lot, took a gun, and shot herself in the belly, killing the foetus in an act of self-abortion. Skinner was charged with carrying out an illegal abortion. It’s not enough that this woman shot herself simply because she couldn’t afford an abortion, she must be prosecuted too.
- Danielle Deaver was about 22 weeks into her pregnancy when doctors told her she wouldn’t be able to carry to term and her child would die soon after birth. Then to her surprise, she learned doctors couldn’t end her non-viable pregnancy because of a new Nebraska law barring late-term abortions. The law bans abortions after 20 weeks based on the disputed notion that foetuses can feel pain after that point. It prevented doctors from medically inducing Deaver to go into labour, and they told her she would have to go into labour naturally. Wouldn’t it be most humane to let this obviously heartbroken woman make the decision on how to end her pregnancy? That dignity wasn’t allowed her daughter, Elizabeth, who instead had to suffer 15 minutes, gasping for air. Never mind that “the Deavers’ sought an abortion because of concern that the infant would suffer while it died, trying to breathe”. Just imagine if you will, having to hold a dying baby for 15 minutes because you were denied the choice of ending your pregnancy with dignity. Watch the video at this link.
These are stories after Roe v. Wade. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what will happen if there was a ban on abortion.
[Don’t want to be pregnant! DON’T HAVE SEX!!11!]
Sex is not a contract for pregnancy—people have a right to non-procreative sex. This may come as a fucking shock to you but SOME PEOPLE HAVE SEX TO CUM NOT TO GET PREGNANT. And SOMETIMES contraception fails.
[I’D ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT THE SAME PRO-LIFERS ATTEMPTING TO BAN ABORTION ALSO WANT TO BAN THE MORNING AFTER PILL, AND BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT INTERFERS WITH THE OH SO SACRED FETUS AFTER ITS BEEN FERTILISED]
Their argument is so sexist and self-righteous. And it punishes uterus-bearers for their sexual behaviour
[Does life begin at conception?]
After conception, 70 per cent of embryos will not make it. Some embryos will split and form twins; some embryos will fuse and form one. Others still do not yield an embryo at all but form a mass of disorganised tissue.
What has happened to this “life” that has begun at conception?
Here is the ugly truth: there is no agreed consensus on when life begins.
For some people, the minute they find out they are pregnant it is a baby to them. They will build a nursery, start choosing baby names etc. For others, it’s a BALL OF CELLS. And until a consensus can be reached, YOU CAN’T FORCE YOUR IDEOLOGIES ON OTHER PEOPLE’S BODIES.
[Is a Foetus entitled to rights?]
Foetuses would have to become dependents for tax and estate purposes, be counted in official census-taking, and be subject to many other laws affecting persons.
This sounds completely stupid for a good reason: A FETUS IS NOT A PERSON.
Let’s say you do give a foetus it’s so called “rights.” How do you plan on dealing with the conflict of the pregnant person right and the foetus? The idea that a grown person’s value and status can be equated with, or overridden by, a cluster of undifferentiated cells the size of the period at the end of this sentence is so fucked up
I cannot believe there are people in the world exchange a people’s actual rights in favour of an embryo’s theoretical rights.
[There’s these wizards they hire, they call them ‘doctors’, and they’re able to tell you if you had a miscarriage or if you aborted.]
Omg, you are so funny.
[lol no gif]
Welcome ladies and gentleman to ABORTION 101: The fun biology class.
The medical term for a miscarriage is “spontaneous abortion” which differs from “induced abortion.”
Example 1: I have an abortion. The neighbour suspects I have an abortion. She will call the police telling them this. I have to be “investigated” to see whether I have had an abortion or not.
The only thing a doctor will be able to tell is if the cervix has been dilated (it looks like a slit). This can be caused from pregnancy, a spontaneous abortion OR an induced abortion.
Clearly this would be the case for a 16 year old girl who nobody would have suspected with either of the above. But considering the majority of women who get abortions are already mothers, “investigating” her would be a moot point.
Unless she has a botched abortion which causes severe scarring (read above again)
Hence why I asked the question.
[Doctors and differing opinions]
I had a really bad case tonsillitis. THREE DIFFERENT DOCTORS DENIED THIS BEFORE I SAW A SPECIALIST WHO DIAGNOSED ME THEN IT WAS REMOVED.
Why do you assume this would not be the case for abortions? One doctor might not think your health is at significant risk due to the pregnancy, and another might.
Poor prenatal diagnosis IS COMMON FOR WANTED PREGNANCIES. WHAT AN EARTH MAKES YOU THINK THIS WILL BE ~~MAGICALLY~~ different for abortions?
[Welfare for unwanted children]
You didn’t answer my question, so I’ll ask again.
Who will provide support and wealth fare for the thousands of unwanted and unplanned children?
Pointing towards adoption and foster care is a fucking cop out. Around the world millions of children are in foster homes, detention centres or on the street. These children are suffering because we have inadequate and outdated adoption and foster care systems that fail to bring together parents and children.
LULZ!! THIS IS TOTALLY THE SOLUTION FOR ABORTION!
Yes, let’s depend on a failing system.
Not to mean religious douchebags who simply refuse to allow gay/lesbian/trans couples to adopt.
Get your head out of your arse and Google “adoption crisis”.
[The truth about being pro-choice]
Do you know who is campaigning for a comprehensive sex education system?
Who is campaigning for contraception to be available widely for all people?
DING DING DING
[Why people have abortions]
Labelling all people who choose to have abortion as “selfish” did actually give me a severe case of lulz.
People have abortions for a variety of reasons
They are in an abusive relationship
Not financially stable
Whatever the reason, they don’t have to explain it to you BECAUSE UNLIKE THE PERSON MAKING THE DECISION IT HAS ZERO EFFECT ON YOU.
[My Mum was a Teen Mum]
How do you go around calling yourself an “unwanted child” when you are clearly being cared for by your mother. The word you are looking for is “unplanned pregnancy”.
My mum was pregnant with me when she was 17. She is pro-choice. She CHOSE to have me. Funny enough, she doesn’t walk around “condemning” other people for a choice that really has nothing to do with us. She doesn’t walk around with a holier than thou attitude because she chose to have me. She is not a better human being, than someone else who chooses to have an abortion.
Tell me, how awkward do you feel for being patronising as fuck when you were so unbearably wrong that even I feel embarrassed for you?
When I say I’m pro-life…
It doesn’t mean I’m religious.
Because I’m not.
It doesn’t mean I hate LGBT community.
Because I am a supporter.
It doesn’t mean I force women to give birth.
Because I never will.
Take what you want from my blog, but never assume I’m just your stereotypical pro-lifer. It is VERY possible to ask questions, state your opinions in a civil manner on this blog. I am respectful and I enjoy answering all questions received!
Thanks for following! :)
Let me tell you some things.
I used to investigate child abuse and neglect. I can tell you how to stop the vast majority of abortion in the world.
First, make knowledge and access to contraception widely available. Start teaching kids before they hit puberty. Teach them about domestic violence and coercion, and teach them not to coerce and rape. Create a strong, loving community where women and girls feel safe and supported in times of need. Because guess what? They aren’t. You know what happens to babies born under such circumstances? They get hurt, unnecessarily. They get sick, unnecessarily. They get removed from parents who love them but who are unprepared for the burden of a child. Resources? Honey, we try. There aren’t enough resources anywhere. There are waiting lists, and promises, and maybes. If the government itself can’t hook people up, what makes you think an impoverished single mom can handle it?
Abolish poverty. Do you have any idea how much childcare costs? Daycare can cost as much or more than monthly rent. They may be inadequately staffed. Getting a private nanny is a nice idea, but they don’t come cheap either. Relatives? Do they own a car? Does the bus run at the right times? Do they have jobs of their own they need to work just to keep the lights on? Are they going to stick around until you get off you convenience store shift at 4 AM? Do they have criminal histories that will make them unsuitable as caregivers when CPS pokes around? You gonna pay for that? Who’s going to pay for that?
End rape. I know your type errs on the side of blaming the woman, but I’ve seen little girls who’ve barely gotten their periods pregnant because somebody thought raping preteens was an awesome idea. You want to put a child through that? Or someone with a mental or physical inability for whom pregnancy would be frightening, painful or even life-threatening? I’ve seen nonverbal kids who had their feet sliced up by caregivers for no fucking reason at all, you think sexual abuse doesn’t happen either?
You say there’s lots of couples who want to adopt. Kiddo, what they want to adopt are healthy white babies, preferably untainted by the wombs and genetics of women with alcohol or drug dependencies. I’ve seen the kids they don’t want, who almost no one wants. You people focus only on the happy pink babies, the gigglers, the ones who grow and grow with no trouble. Those are not the kids who linger in foster care. Those are certainly not the older kids and teenagers who age out of foster care and then are thrown out in the streets, usually with an array of medical and mental health issues. Are they too old to count?
And yeah, I’ve seen the babies, little hand-sized things barely clinging to life. There’s no glory, no wonder there. There is no wonder in a pregnant woman with five dollars to her name, so deep in depression you wonder if she’ll be alive in a week. Therapy costs money. Medicine costs money. Food, clothes, electricity cost money. Government assistance is a pittance; poverty drives women and girls into situations where they are forced to rely on people who abuse them to survive. (I’ve been up in more hospitals than I can count.)
In each and every dark pit of desperation, I have never seen a pro-lifer. I ain’t never seen them babysitting, scrubbing floors, bringing over goods, handing mom $50 bucks a month or driving her to the pediatrician. I ain’t never seen them sitting up for hours with an autistic child who screams and rages so his mother can get some sleep while she rests up from working 14-hour days. I don’t see them fixing leaks in rundown houses or playing with a kid while the police prepare to interview her about her sexual abuse. They’re not paying for the funerals of babies and children who died after birth, when they truly do become independent organisms. And the crazy thing is they think they’ve already done their job, because the child was born!
Aphids give birth, girl. It’s no miracle. You want to speak for the weak? Get off your high horse and get your hands dirty helping the poor, the isolated, the ill and mentally ill women and mothers and their children who already breathe the dirty air. You are doing nothing, absolutely nothing, for children. You don’t have a flea’s comprehension of injustice. You are not doing shit for life until you get in there and fight that darkness. Until you understand that abortion is salvation in a world like ours. Does that sound too hard? Do you really think suffering post-birth is more permissible, less worthy of outrage?
“Pro-life” is simply a philosophy in which the only life worth saving is the one that can be saved by punishing a woman.
FLAWLESS COMMENTARY ABOVE. COMPLETELY AGREED. I’d love to see speakfortheweak reply to this, though we all know she won’t.